The Butcher of La Cabaña, The real Che.

che_guevara_time_magazine“To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary. These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate.” – Che Guevara

I see no difference in a person who idolizes Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot or Che Guevara.

Wait, why would Che be on that list?  Well because he was a totalitarian mass murdering scum bag that’s why you twit.  Granted he didn’t get a chance to kill as many people as the others but it’s not like he wouldn’t have if he could. He didn’t get the nickname “The Butcher of La Cabaña” for nothing.  La Cabaña being Castro’s main political prison in case you didn’t know.

Here is the words spoken by Javier Arzuaga to Alvaro Vargas Llosa about La Cabaña and Che:

“there were about eight hundred prisoners in a space fit for no more than three hundred: former Batista military and police personnel, some journalists, a few businessmen and merchants. The revolutionary tribunal was made of militiamen. Che Guevara presided over the appellate court. He never overturned a sentence. I would visit those on death row at the galera de la muerte. A rumor went around that I hypnotized prisoners because many remained calm, so Che ordered that I be present at the executions. After I left in May, they executed many more, but I personally witnessed fifty-five executions. There was an American, Herman Marks, apparently a former convict. We called him “the butcher” because he enjoyed giving the order to shoot. I pleaded many times with Che on behalf of prisoners. I remember especially the case of Ariel Lima, a young boy. Che did not budge. Nor did Fidel, whom I visited. I became so traumatized that at the end of May 1959 I was ordered to leave the parish of Casa Blanca, where La Cabaña was located and where I had held Mass for three years. I went to Mexico for treatment. The day I left, Che told me we had both tried to bring one another to each other’s side and had failed. His last words were: “When we take our masks off, we will be enemies.”

Here is another fun fact about this little idol of Useful Idiots everywhere:

“Che set up the first forced labor camp, Guanahacabibes, in 1960. This camp was the precursor to the eventual systematic confinement, starting in 1965 in the province of Camagüey, of dissidents, homosexuals, AIDS victims, Catholics, Afro-Cuban priests, and other such scum, under the banner of Unidades Militares de Ayuda a la Producción, or Military Units to Help Production. Herded into buses and trucks, the “unfit” would be transported at gunpoint into concentration camps organized on the Guanahacabibes mold. Some would never return; others would be raped, beaten, or mutilated; and most would be traumatized for life, as Néstor Almendros’s wrenching documentary Improper Conduct showed the world a couple of decades ago.”

Yes Guanahacabibes was Cuba’s first gulag isn’t that cute. He even executed children as young as 14.  To say the least he was a nice person.  He really was.  So go on and wear that chic little Che shirt and be proud of yourself.  Make movies idolizing him and win the accolades of your scum sucking peers in Hollywood.  Never mind the trail of bodies he man left on two different continents.  History and truth are irrelevant.

Fucking douchebags…

“Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become … ” – Che Guevara

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51 Comments

  1. Although we don’t execute as many people, the US does torture people and hold them without charge, without access to lawyers, and without due process for extended periods of time. Ironically most of it takes place on the island of Cuba.

  2. Last time I checked prisoners of war don’t get due process or lawyers for that matter.

  3. It never ceases to amaze me how fascinated the left are with mass-murderers. It’s part ignorance, part stupidity and partly because they think just like them.

    Enjoy the kool-aid joey and when you’re done, perhaps you can list some of the executions that the USA has carried out of 14-year old boys for belonging to a political party or something trivial like that. I don’t expect a long list, since according to you, America only executes a ‘few’.

  4. MK

    What about all of the indescrimitate bombings by the USA on villages throughout the middle east, latin america, and africa? What about all the civilians (not even political prisoners), civilians dead because of those bombings? I think some of them may have been fourteen. And they didn’t even get to be arrested, just bombed out in their homes. So basically you advocate that political murder is ok as long as you don’t arrest the person and inform them that is political? Then its not an execution right……its an act of war??? What if the other side never declared war…..then what is it?

  5. Come on people, look at the language used by the author. He has an agenda. A weak one to say the least. You use sources from people who also clearly have an agenda. There are many sources that say he was only present for a few executions (let’s not forget how many people who are obviously mentally challenged to death) and that following the Revolution there were not any. It was Raul who was only in his twenties who oversaw most of the executions. Another fact is Batista had been butchering Cuban people and torturing them for decades yet not even a peep about our US puppet from you. Ever heard of Gitmo? We have imprisoned without trial and probably tortured young men as young as 13. We have executed people ourselves as well as sent many to repressive allies to do the killing and torturing so our hands are clean. You are up in arms about on man being responsible for at most 500 deaths ( a number that is still disputed as being too high) and completely ignore the millions that the US has killed in the past fifty years and tens of millions that have been killed, raped, and butchered by our “noble” causes? You make a childish argument with childish language, get a life. To respond to the person saying what is it about the left liking mass murders, I ask why is it that the right and ultra patriots ignore the fact that we are one of those mass murders?

  6. I also see how you do not differentiate between Che and Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, or Stalin. That alone is a stupid comment because no one person should be lumped in together like that, it hurts any historical analysis. It also is stupid because of the shear numbers, goals, and personalities that differ amongst the people listed. I find it funny you don’t have McNamara (who has stated that he was acting as a war criminal), LeMay, Reagan, Kissinger, Nixon, Bush 1 or 2, Cheney, Johnson, Noriega (who was our friend at first), Pinochet, the Shah, or the butchering in the Congo which is all because we demand minerals, the CONTRAS, etc. My God you are clueless.

  7. What, the author has an agenda!? Noooooo!!!!!

    Everyone has an agenda, it’s a fact of life kids. If someone tells you they don’t they are either a fool or lying.

    Yes maybe I should have differentiated between Mao, Hitler and Che. Unlike Mao and Hitler and the other people you mentioned, Che did the killing himself rather than just ordering people to their deaths, granted he did that too, but unlike all the others he liked to get his hands a little dirty.

    If you’re going to throw in all the American Presidents in the last 40 years why not throw in Obama?

    Also I noticed you can’t differentiate between the killing due to involvement in a war – something while not a good thing is an unfortunate part of life – and the intentional murder of millions of your own people to maintain political power.

  8. I’m not sure why everybody is wondering why he doesn’t talk about McNamara and Batista and the crimes of the US government. Sure McNamara was a horrible person who ran a horrible war in which many people where horribly butchered for not even a good reason and if I believed in hell would hopefully be in the lowest circle of it. And Batista was certainly no saint. And yes the US has done horrible horrible things. Just look up Operation Keelhaul, where the british and US governments agreed to round up millions of Soviet refuges to be sent back to the USSR after WWII to face almost certain death (sometimes the summary executions took place within earshot of the British army). It seems like people are saying that Che wasn’t so bad because compared to the US’s crimes, his are small patatoes. That is a horrible thought in and of itself. This is an article about Che, not about the crimes of others. This is the only thing I have read from this author, and maybe his other works show that he loves War and the US government’s crimes, I don’t know, but to say he advocates it because he doesn’t mention it in an article about Che is rediculous.

  9. I just love how the Che commrades posting on here will compare the actions of one man, to those of an entire country and expect to have a fair comparison. The U.S. has done wrong, every country on the earth has done wrong. The fact is we have little teenagers running around with Che shirts on, and this article is to say, look guys, Che sucks.

  10. Che was a man who believed in, lived, and died by his beliefs. Those beliefs were of an extreme socialist nature. In the US, that is nothing short of a dirty word. We, as a country, seem the need to dominate other countries, obviously seen time and again with our Imperialistic agenda throughout the past 70 years. I personally can’t blame a man, for fighting a system that exploits others, such as the Batista regime, backed by Ike and his CIA henchmen (and later, JFK). Che’s methods were violent and brutal, but they were mirroring the methods being used by the forces he was fighting. The only difference between his methods and the US/Batista methods was that he didn’t feel the need to sugar-coat his actions with endless lies. He acted to free a country strangled by the Imperialistic hand of the US. He grew tired of seeing countries like Cuba, being manipulated by the US like a bully stealing lunch money.
    Che presided over the revolutionary tribunal, but contrary to popular belief, only took part in a handful of executions. The bulk of the the executions (deemed necessary to purge the new country of old poisoned blood) were carried out by firing squads headed by Raul Castro.
    Right-wing Americans always love to point out the violent and sadistic ways of Che, all the while ignoring the numerous violent and sadistic CIA operations worldwide, and the acts of the US backed regimes, such as Batista, Trujillo, and Somoza.
    I respect the hell out of Che Guevara, simply because he was a man of action, who stood up to a giant and prevailed. He was willing to fight and die for what I believed in. It’s easy to criticize the actions of a man like Che, when one is living comfortably in a society that encourages ignorance and “not getting involved”.

  11. So Batista was bad, but Che and Castro who were not only more violent, brutal and controlling are OK? Are you nuts? Really Cuba had the second largest economy and the second highest standard of living in the Western Hemisphere before those bastards took power and after they where done Cuda was one of the lowest and living off Soviet handouts.

    Look Batista wasn’t a great person but lord, Che and Castro were much, much worse. Is it the fact that you agree with their politics the reason you could care less that they were brutal totalitarian dictators?

    Yeah Che would die for his beliefs, good for him, that doesn’t make his beliefs a good thing, a lot of bastards thought the same way. It’s not the fact you would die for the ideals that make them good it;s the meaning in the ideals that matters. If you don’t even understand that much about life you really need to take a good long look at your own mind, and your own beliefs about life.

    Che got involved but the difference between me and him is I will speak out and write about injustice, and I will defend my beliefs, Che puts a bullet in a child’s head for not agreeing with him! You can worship Che all you want, I can’t. I won’t, I have integrity.

  12. wow

    ““there were about eight hundred prisoners in a space fit for no more than three hundred: former Batista military and police personnel, some journalists, a few businessmen and merchants.”

    oh yeah “real” murderous right there. Executing some of Batistas ruthless thugs, have you even read the charges laid out against these men? plucking out eyeballs during interrogation was one of them. Thats murder? how about the souls of the millions of dead in Central America that scream for justice, all killed on the orders of Ronald Reagan.

  13. Wait, they had trials at La Cabaña, when did that happen? Or are you talking about “show Trails” because while those might be fun they don’t really count that much.

    Yes Batista bad. Castro and Che, worse.

  14. Wow! Millions killed in Central America on the Reagans orders? Why not claim BILLIONS! It would be just as believable if you replace facts with propaganda.

  15. Yes they had trials at La Cabana, whether they were show trials is irrelevant, the men imprisoned and executed were known torturers and murderers on the payroll of the Batista regime. These “show trials” were no more or less of a show trial than those in Nuremburg. Reine you are a Wingnut imbecile, Reagan’s illegal funding of the Civil Wars in Central America and support for some of the most despotic Latin American regimes led to the deaths of millions of Central americans.

  16. Whether you want to own up to this, your beloved Ronald Reagan was a wacko moviestar with an infatuation for Latin American Fascists.

  17. here is your “propaganda” Reine

    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/WarCrimes_Reagan_iF.html

    “In the 1980s, U.S.-backed forces committed widespread massacres, political murders and torture. Tens of thousands of civilians died. Many of the dead were children. Soldiers routinely raped women before executing them.
    There can be no doubt, too, that President Reagan was an avid supporter of the implicated military forces, that he supplied them with weapons and that he actively sought to discredit human rights investigators and journalists who exposed the crimes….Rather than defending the atrocities, Reagan and his loyalists most often just denied that the crimes had happened and attacked anyone who said otherwise as a communist dupe.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29546-2004Jun9.html

    ” The United States was heavily involved in wars in Nicaragua, El Salvador and Guatemala in the 1980s in what Reagan described as an effort to stem Soviet influence in the hemisphere. The United States spent more than $4 billion on economic and military aid during El Salvador’s civil war, in which more than 75,000 people were killed, many of them civilians caught in the crossfire.

    The United States also organized Nicaragua’s contra guerrillas, who fought that country’s revolutionary Sandinista government. Reagan referred to contras as “the moral equivalent of the Founding Fathers” and the United States spent $1 billion on them; the fighting in Nicaragua killed as many as 50,000 people. Honduras was a staging ground for U.S. Nicaraguan operations.

    Reagan also supported the repressive military dictatorship of Guatemala, where more than 200,000 people, mostly indigenous peasants, died over 36 years of civil strife. “

  18. So show trials are OK as long as we “know” they are guilty? So the 15 year old kids that were executed in those show trials “were known torturers and murderers on the payroll of the Batista regime”. Right, and I have a bridge to sell you.

    The first link is kind of dubious, the website it comes from doesn’t look like a reliable source, but hey they hate America so it’s all good right? The article they takes parts from is from iF magazine, a mag that when I tried to look it up seams to be nothing more than an entertainment mag. But hey Robert Parry is a journalist, and a progressive, and as we all know a Progressive Journalist never lies or makes shit up to score political points (please pay no attention to Walter Duranty’s ghost laughing right now and the millions of dead Kulaks).

    Anyway how many of those death you speak of in El Salvador and Honduras can be attributed to the forces the US backed or by the other side? Remember it was a war, it’s not like the other side wasn’t killing people.

    Anyway at least you were nice enough to explain to us it was propaganda before you started talking though, thanks.

  19. “So show trials are OK as long as we “know” they are guilty? So the 15 year old kids that were executed in those show trials “were known torturers and murderers on the payroll of the Batista regime”. Right, and I have a bridge to sell you.”

    15 year olds? How many? The majority of those executed were policemen and military officers, you know torturers and murderers of the batista regime?

    “The first link is kind of dubious, the website it comes from doesn’t look like a reliable source, but hey they hate America so it’s all good right?”

    “kind of dubious”, “hate America”? The link said the exact same thing as the Washington Post, just like wingnuts to apologize for America like that. I think the people who are victims of Contra violence are just a little bit justified in hating america.

    “Anyway how many of those death you speak of in El Salvador and Honduras can be attributed to the forces the US backed or by the other side?”

    That is a dumb question for the simple fact is how CAN THEY NOT BE!?!? The U.S. was backing fascist dictatorships that murdered more people than any show trial in cuba, and yet you have the gall to criticize Cuba for actions the U.S. has had no problem with, as long as it is done in the name of Fascism.

    “Remember it was a war, it’s not like the other side wasn’t killing people.”

    Im glad you just admitted to the fact that you don’t care about the millions of dead in Central america, a conflict that was expanded and prolonged by th U.S.

  20. I suppose the Nazi atrocities on people in Eastern Europe or the Japanese atrocities on American soldiers are fine right? I mean it wasn’t like the “other side” was not killing people too. If that is your position you have no merit to claim a moral outrage on La Cabana

  21. I never said atrocities were fine, I doubted the article. There is a difference you know.

    Also the US never did anything in the name of Fascism except fight it, now they have done things wrong in the name of Anti-Communism, so try to crack open a book and learn the truth about what is really going on. I would also try and learn what Fascism really was before you throw the word around.

    I didn’t say I didn’t care about the death in war I, I simply said both sides were part of the killing. How many atrocities did the Sandinistas commit? Or is that OK since you support them? You want to blame only one side of the conflict and not the other. Remember that the Contras (who I assume you hate) were fighting people who had previously taken power through violence and had quite a few mass graves to account for (something you don’t bother to mention). In fact the Sandinistas killed a lot more people and committed a lot more abuses than the Contras ever did. But you don’t care about that do you?

    http://www.cidh.org/countryrep/Nica81eng/chap.2.htm

    http://www.cidh.oas.org/annualrep/91eng/chap.4d.htm

    Now when it all comes down to it, if someone did something wrong in one country does it make it right if someone else does it in another? That said, if Reagan as you claim helped commit all these terrible things in Nicaragua does that make it OK when Castro and Che do terrible things in Cuba? Now the last question. Was this post about Che Guevara or Reagan and Nicaragua?

    Before you answer them please reread the post from Ryan:

    “I’m not sure why everybody is wondering why he doesn’t talk about McNamara and Batista and the crimes of the US government. Sure McNamara was a horrible person who ran a horrible war in which many people where horribly butchered for not even a good reason and if I believed in hell would hopefully be in the lowest circle of it. And Batista was certainly no saint. And yes the US has done horrible horrible things. Just look up Operation Keelhaul, where the british and US governments agreed to round up millions of Soviet refuges to be sent back to the USSR after WWII to face almost certain death (sometimes the summary executions took place within earshot of the British army). It seems like people are saying that Che wasn’t so bad because compared to the US’s crimes, his are small patatoes. That is a horrible thought in and of itself. This is an article about Che, not about the crimes of others. This is the only thing I have read from this author, and maybe his other works show that he loves War and the US government’s crimes, I don’t know, but to say he advocates it because he doesn’t mention it in an article about Che is rediculous.”

  22. “Also the US never did anything in the name of Fascism except fight it, now they have done things wrong in the name of Anti-Communism, so try to crack open a book and learn the truth about what is really going on. I would also try and learn what Fascism really was before you throw the word around.”

    The U.S. and its allies were the main backers of the Franco Dictatorship in Spain, including fueling their planes even during the “non-intervention” period of the Spanish Civil War, and prior to WW2 had sold cotton and rubber to both Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy in the hopes that they would use resources on the Soviet Union. Fascism is a capitalist ideology, it would not have been supported so fervently by American business men in the 1930s had it not been.

    “You want to blame only one side of the conflict and not the other.”

    Not true, but the bulk of the blame goes to the Reaganites and the reactionaries they supported. If Reagan would have kept his nose out then there would have been no deaths.

    “Remember that the Contras (who I assume you hate) were fighting people who had previously taken power through violence and had quite a few mass graves to account for (something you don’t bother to mention).”

    You damn right I hate the Contras, and for good reason, they were sadistic f**ks who tortured and murdered civilians in the most gruesome way, much like those executed like Cabana.
    The Sandinistas overthrew a dictatorship, they had taken power from the corrupt Somoza regime, which many of the Contras had supported. The Contras were pure fascists plain and simple. You don’t believe me? One deathsquad was named after the Fascist Dictator Maximiliano Hernandez, who admired nazi germany and did his own “final solution” on blacks and indians in El Salvador, these guys were some “freedom fighters”.

    “In fact the Sandinistas killed a lot more people and committed a lot more abuses than the Contras ever did. But you don’t care about that do you?”

    That is Reaganite propaganda(in fact it was the same Reaganite crap that they used to dismiss critics of the Contras)and the OAS links prove it, the OAS was an institution that lent aid to the Contras, including backing the South American fascist dictatorships of the 70s and 80s, so I take anything it puts out with a grain of salt. The Sandinista govt. while commiting human rights violations were no wear near the amount of atrocities and frankly satanic brutality by the Contras. The cost to Nicaragua of the US economic and Contra warfare was estimated at $15 billion, with 30,000 people killed. The U.S. and the contras were instigators in this conflict and they knew it. The World Court condemned American support for the Contra rebels as illegal. The Catholic Institute for International Relations said “The record of the contras in the field, as opposed to their official professions of democratic faith, is one of consistent and bloody abuse of human rights, of murder, torture, mutilation, rape, arson, destruction and kidnapping.” The Contras are viewed in a EXTREMELY negative light in Latin America and in Nicaragua, the so-called “worse” Sandinistas were elected again by popular vote. That shows you something right there.

    the Lawyer Reed Brody’s book Contra Terror in Nicaragua, which was used for the U.S. Congress to vote down Contra Aid(which Reagan ignored, and was an illegal act) stated that the Contras attacked purely civilian targets and that their tactics included murder, rape, beatings, kidnapping and disruption of harvests. If you want to see the sheer brutality of these “freedom fighters” lets look at this:

    “Rosa had her breasts cut off. Then they cut into her chest and took out her heart. The men had their arms broken, their testicles cut off. They were killed by slitting their throats and pulling the tongue out through the slit.”

    Human Rights Watch:

    http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/1989/WR89/Nicaragu.htm

    Some of the atrocities done by the Contras:

    1. targeting health care clinics and health care workers for assassination.
    2. kidnapping civilians.
    3. torturing civilians.
    4. executing civilians, including children, who were captured in combat.
    5. raping women.
    6. indiscriminately attacking civilians and civilian houses.
    7. seizing civilian property.
    8. burning civilian houses in captured towns.

    “if Reagan as you claim helped commit all these terrible things in Nicaragua does that make it OK when Castro and Che do terrible things in Cuba?”

    Che and Castro did not “kill millions” and did not indiscriminately target civilians. The so-called “butcher of La Cabana” was a butcher of Batista’s henchmen, this “crime” is about as a “crime” as executing the war criminals at Nuremburg.

  23. At Nuremberg they had trials, but what kind of trials did Che give those he executed? Did anyone walk free? There were people who were acquitted? Do you want to answer that?

    Anywoo, I was wondering why earlier you brought up the Japanese and Nazi atrocities but never mentioned the atrocities of Communist countries, why you defend Che and Castro so much, why you throw around the word Fascist so quickly. Then you referred to people as “reactionaries”. You don’t hear that term used a lot other than in certain crowds. Are you by any chance a Communist my love, for it would break my heart to know you were.

    How about a little history for you? Other than the nationalism involved Fascism is really an offshoot of Socialism much like Communism and other Progressive ideologies. In fact Fascism was all the rage in many progressive circle before WWII when the fascist portion was mostly stripped out due to obvious reasons. Mussolini was one of Italy’s most prominent socialist until his break with them over WWI. Since socialism at the time was considered an international ideology nationalism was not seen as a good thing, Mussolini however was a nationalist and disagreed with them on this point and supported WWI were many of the socialists at the time did not as it was a purely nationalistic war and in their opinion counter productive and wrong (something I would have to agree with them on). Hitler as well was deeply into socialist and progressive ideology however he was also into racism (something not always considered a bad thing in some progressive theory) and nationalism, so he mixed all of them into his National Socialist party. Fascism was an ideology built off many of the ideas of Socialism and Progressive ideals. It ended up being what Mussolini called a “Third Way” and was more of a mixture of Socialism and Corporatism leaning heavy on the Socialism side. Neither Mussolini or Hitler like Capitalism however in Hitler’s case he traded Class Warfare for racial warfare mixed with some class warfare. Mussolini stuck with the Class Warfare but confined it only to Italy and didn’t bother with the international theories.

    The thing is that Socialism, Communism and Fascism all came from the same place. However Fascism cam out of favor after WWII and the Communists loved to call anyone who they disagree with Fascists (even when they are not) simply because they had been the two main Progressive ideologies who were both competing with one another to see who would be on top. I don’t agree with any of the different theories and dislike Socialism, Fascism and Communism the same although I will point out that Communism has killed a lot more people than Fascism ever did, that’s not to say that Fascism isn’t that bad, it’s terrible, but Communism is evil, and unlike Fascism is still looked on favorably in many circles.

    Now back to the fun. You claim that there would not be any deaths if Reagan hadn’t supported the CONTRA rebellion, however the CONTRAS existed before Reagan sent help so the civil war would have still been on so the death would have happened anyway, granted the CONTRAS fight have fallen fast without the support but the civil war wasn’t started by Reagan but by people in Nicaragua, so your logic is flawed. Plus we are getting into Cold War Politics were you are complaining about America supporting one of the sides and angry about it but say nothing about the fact that Communist countries around the world were supporting the other side. Hence the reason I asked earlier if you were a Communist. If I am wrong about that it is very apparent that you at least have sympathies towards them otherwise you would not be trying to go so far as you have in defending them, or more to the point attempting to divert attention away from the brutality of Che, Castro and the Cuban government by making a big deal about Reagan and Nicaragua.

    XOXO

    T. Yamamoto

  24. Hmm…I just love how liberal always dodge a direct confrontation with the issue at hand by diverting attention to something completely irrelevant.
    Example:
    “Obama is doing a horrible job!”
    Liberal answer: BUSH!
    “The right to bear arms is essential.”
    Liberal answer: Guns kill people!…and so does BUSH!
    “Che Guevar was a monster.”
    Liberal answer:
    “The U.S. kills people…and..and…BUSH, BUSH, BUSH!!!”

  25. The fact that you nit-pick a bunch of ‘atrocities’ regarding El Che is disgusting. Yes he executed, yes he was a communist, but your missing a very important fact: it was a time of WAR. I don’t hear you complaining about the murder of Che by CIA lead soldiers, or about the wars that the US has helped to fund just for ‘containment’ of Communism, just to end up with a crooked government that disrespects the people. The people supported Che. They believed in Che, yet you complain ‘Oh, but he killed people.’ Allow me the pleasure of reminding you IT WAS A TIME OF WAR. A Revolution isn’t non-violent. Furthermore I couldn’t agree more with Endruj Lusha. How can you compare Che to a monster like Adolf Hitler, who murdered millions of innocent Jews, Poles, Gypsies, and Gays? Do you want to know who is responsible for Che and Castro? The United States. They set up that evil Batista, whom abused his people for his and US interests that the people longed for revolution. And by the way sir, you have failed in your pitiful attempt to tarnish the memory of Che Guevara. He has, and still is an inspiration to fight oppression and change. His face and legacy will continue to inspire after our bones have turned into dust and drift into nothingness.

  26. I didn’t think you really needed to do anything to “tarnish” the memory of a communist other than say “That guy is was a communist”.

    Cody are you a communist?

  27. It never ceases to amaze me how lefitst come to the defense of Che. Sure he murdered thousands of homosexuals and Priests, but he was also a pretty nice guy who had strong beliefs. Hitler died for his beliefs too but I doubt you guys are flocking to his defense.

    Che was a revolutionary murderer. If you can rationalize that and make it more than it is, then there’s something very wrong with you. I often ask myself why all the leftist movements end up in mass murder.

  28. “It never ceases to amaze me how leftist scum to the defense of Che.”
    I like the partisan statist morons here who keep attacking Reagan as if that absolves Che of his crimes. Yes, Reagan was scum, ALSO. No shortage of scummy mass-enslaving and mass-murdering government thugs. Reagan was also terrible because he forever confused the American sheep about capitalism and free trade by calling what he did, “the free market”. …People, you’re morons! Just because Dana Rohrabacher writes it in a speech doesn’t make it so.

    Che was a worse mass-murderer than Jeffrey Dahmer, as was Reagan. Why don’t we see any of these leftist hipsters wearing Dahmer shirts around?

    …Because they’re all spoiled young hypocrites who don’t know “nothin’ bout nothin”.

    For those who want the truth about numbers murdered by their own government, check out this reference website: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills
    –Excellent research.

    Che is by no means the most effective murdering communist thug. Mao murdered over 60,000,000 of his own people during peacetime. Stalin, over 55,000,000. Hitler murdered around 18-20,000,000. Che was small potatoes compared to that.

    But he murdered a lot more innocent people than Jeffrey Dahmer did, and he took gleeful pleasure in it. For that alone, he should be remembered as human scum.

    –like the kids who wear his T-shirts. 😦

  29. Revolutions don’t succeed without dead innocents..i’m sorry that’s just how it works. With that in mind if you take that fact out of a “Revolutionists” and look at them from a purely idealogical perspective, that is when the real picture develops. Guevera to his core was a man trying to change the whole world for the majority. This guy started armed revolutions on three continents.He obviously understood something about an oppressed people at its core.

    US Presidents can’t be leaders forever, you must add those totals together.

  30. Yeah, and the revolution in Cuba made it such a better place. Even if you think the ends justify the means if the end sucks you fucked up.

    Che did understand oppressed people to the core, because when he wasn’t oppressing them he was murdering them.

  31. Everyone is focusing on the so called “small’ number of atrocities Che committed. He was just getting warmed up.

    What people supporting Che doesn’t talk about is what he “really” wanted to do. He was a key figure in getting the Soviet missiles to Cuba, precipitating the Cuban Missile Crisis that brought us to the brink of nuclear war in 1962. JFK and Khrushchev barely averted a nuclear holocaust by making both public and private agreements to dismantle nukes in specific areas.

    Che felt betrayed by the Soviet Union. He would liked to have seen that nuclear holocaust happen. He wanted to use them against the U.S. to kill millions of our citizens. Che said, “…if the missiles had been under Cuban control, they would have fired them off… the cause of socialist liberation against global ‘imperialist aggression’, would ultimately have been worth the possibility of ‘millions of atomic war victims’”

    So yes, the CIA-backed Bolivian military executed Che. They essentially stopped a growing monster who would have been as bad or worse than a Hitler or Stalin – given the right opportunity. If he had the opportunity, all of you supporting Che wouldn’t even exist as either you or the people who became your parents would have been murdered…vaporized for his “cause”.

    Sounds like the kind of guy I want to idolize – yeah right. Gimme some Gandhi any day.

  32. Che also hated rock and roll and would have people thrown into jail for listening to it that is funny since I keep seeing bands wearing t-shirts with his face on it. Or in the case of Rage Against The Machine would tell people Che was their 5th band member.

  33. […] da URAP não sei se se pode dizer o mesmo. Já agora, recomendo algumas leituras: Che na Wikipedia, Butcher of La Cabaña, Viva La Fantasia, The Killing Machine, Che What?, 5 Factos sobre Che, Badass of the Week: Che, […]

  34. John F. Kennedy himself (another revolutionary who got shot down for not playing the game) spoke up against this horrifying fact: “Fulgencio Batista murdered 20,000 Cubans in seven years, and he turned Democratic Cuba into a complete police state, destroying every individual liberty. Yet our aid to his regime, and the ineptness of our policies, enabled Batista to invoke the name of the U.S. in support of his reign of terror. Administration spokesmen publicly praised Batista – hailed him as a staunch ally and a good friend – at a time when Batista was murdering thousands, destroying the last vestiges of freedom and stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from the Cuban people.”Following the Cuban Revolution, Guevara performed a number of key roles in the new government.The historian argued Che Guevara was not responsible for the execution of any “innocent” prisoners/ between 55 and 100 executed /. Which is not really an academic qualification.http://szrzlj3.blogspot.nl/2012/06/blog-post.html

  35. @Danzig op 11 mei 2011 13:47:What nonsense….

  36. What a long correspondence here, Che obviously lives, for better or for worse, a dynamic figurehead for the common man, the poor man, who dares to stand up to the big, bad Western imperialistic powers….such is the perception of him. The details of his life no longer seem to matter to most, nor does the present day reality of Cuba, that workers paradise where individual freedoms are smothered beneath the veil of supporting “la revolucion”, “el triunfo”. I’ve always found it ironic, better to say hypocritical, that Che had the freedom to leave his own country in his youth, and embark on his famous motorcycle journey thru the Americas, and then return to Argentina, and then leave again, and so on. I wonder if there’s a young Cuban teenager today interested in leaving the island for awhile, who merely wants to venture out and see the world as Che once had the liberty to do. And thats of course just a mild example of the hypocrisy of Che. Odd too how Che harbored such deep hate and wrath for the USA, and granted, American foreign policy in Latin America is not something to be proud of, but Che never had a word of criticism for Stalin and Mao, two mass murderers who would’ve made Ghengis Khan proud. Far from it, he constantly praised them to high heaven and invoked their names as heroes. To put Eisenhower, Kennedy, and other American administrations in that category is absurd beyond belief. But again, it doesn’t seem to matter to the masses of people who idolize Che. Let me remind all readers that this forum is allowed in our society, try posting such remarks in Cuba. Rest assured someone will come knocking at your door…perhaps they’ll be dressed in camo fatigues and wearing a beret.

  37. I think you should add to your list Dwight Eisenhower with over 1.7 million prisoners killed at the end of world war 2 where he starved them to death and now is getting a 120 million dollar building somewhere in murica, plus all the palestinians that keep dying since the 1930’s add R. Nixon too and blame the 9-11 of 1973 in chile where he instituted a murderous, brutal regime which killed maybe 50,000 to 100,000 people and tortured about 700,000 and what about Bush and Obama??…

  38. If the best defense Guevara’s apologists can come up with is “others did the same thing” then I’d say that even they believe he was a murderer.

  39. AIDS victims in 1960?????? who wrote this article and should we believe any of it?

  40. The article makes no claim that there were AIDs victims in 1960 just that Guevara and his ilk set up the system that eventually locked such people up.

  41. well, letterstoadyingdream, you are done, communists are after you, the best way to distinguish who is on your side and who is not is a red tie, method for which invention john nash got nobel prize for economy, or you have bad luck to be xxist century incarnation of late senator joseph raymond mccarthy; but when you are right you are right and guevara was wrong, cannot motivate women and men to die in combat, with hatred of enemy, motivation should always be positive emotion about something in their world or something to achieve in it, when i was in his boots i shouldn’t have to motivate anyone to fight, they gave me intelligent, well trained and selected men, i just told them what is expected and offered opportunity to opt out, no love nor hatred, that’s each one’s personal business; concerning fascism and one country socialism, or national socialism, opposed to international socialism, you cannot make bigger mistake, fascism is radical capitalism, in some of its characteristics appeared in early prophet of westeuropean kleinburger martin luther, stalinist socialism on the other hand hardly deserves name socialism, but it still doesn’t give right to immoral individuals to exploit other people, so it is very different political system; and you shouldn’t ask, senator mccarthy, i am an anarchist, communists are good for some things, but they stop half way, after that it is on us

  42. I tend not to leave a response, but after reading a few of
    the remarks on this page The Butcher of La Cabaña, The real Che.
    | Letters to a Dying Dream. I actually do have 2 questions for you if it’s okay.

    Is it simply me or does it look like a few of the remarks look
    like they are written by brain dead individuals? 😛 And, if
    you are posting on additional places, I would like to follow
    you. Would you make a list of every one of all your shared pages like your linkedin profile, Facebook page or twitter feed?

  43. Sorry about the late reply since I haven’t paid attention to this recently. I’m on twitter now at https://twitter.com/drunkenalpaca . I’ll be annoying people there more often than I annoy them here.

  44. It is amazing to read so many comments from
    people who have no idea whatsoever of Cuban
    history and what happened during Batista’s go
    vernment and who were the Castro brothers,
    Che Guevara, etc. I am cuban, and I lived thru that
    history. Did not read it. Lived it. Che was a but
    cher, a gangster. I won’t go into details and make
    this comment too long because is not worth it.
    People will continue to think the way they do
    even if you show them facts. I only hope that
    someday you have the opportunity to live a com
    munist revolution and be able to “enjoy the ex
    perience”. Then you will be welcomed to have
    an educated opinion worth reading

  45. […] Butcher of La Cabana as he was also called: “To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary. These […]

  46. […] had Felix Dzerzhinsky. Fidel Castro’s comparably repressive regime had the man known as the Butcher of la Cabaña, Che Guevara. For reasons that defy comprehension, only the latter is idolized by left-wing […]

  47. […] had Felix Dzerzhinsky. Fidel Castro’s comparably repressive regime had the man known as the Butcher of la Cabaña, Che Guevara. For reasons that defy comprehension, only the latter is idolized by left-wing […]

  48. To the right wingers and the left wingers writing here, you ALL need to become more educated about REAL HISTORY, Not just that which is allowed to be written by the government of whichever country you live in. I am from Belfast, my history taught in school was determined by the British government. The reality is somewhat different. The history of Cuba, and it’s relevant in how it is interpreted by its people; not in how the U.S. determines it is. Absolute power corrupts even those who start off with the best of intentions.
    Reading the comments here and watching America from afar I am very glad I do not live there. Here I can educate myself and make decisions for myself. Some of you should try it.
    Listen to each other.

  49. AIDS victims in the 1960s? Wow, didn’t realize this. Batista’s puppets had it coming. Capitalist tools to enforce the greed of their masters, just like U.S. troops today. A purge was in order, end of story. The coward Cuban/Miami ex Pats lost, they lost their way of life. That’s where the anger comes from. Instead of staying in Cuba and helping with a new future they bailed or were asked/forced to leave (Cuba didn’t need capitalist monkeys anyway). The Batista regime treated Cuba like a whore for American interests in including the Mafia. Blood always needs to be spilled to create a new world. Can you imagine what the British said and believed about George Washington and his ilk? They held the same opinions of them as the Miami cowards do of Che. So what’s your point? You have your heroes we have ours. Yours represent your ideals, ours represent ours. It’s not complicated. So ho back to spreading your capitalist/imperialist programs to people like yourself (ditto heads) and we’ll do the same. It’s all perspective. Hasta la Victoria sempre.

  50. […] Leave a Comment […]

  51. The only reply is “What about US atrocities. Liberals love blood only when it’s innocent blood. Sad statement of a doomed ideology in its death throes.


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